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> <channel><title>Comments on: Conflict in Community 2.0</title> <atom:link href="http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/</link> <description>community, entrepreneurship and business strategy</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 02:04:40 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Richard</title><link>http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-92191</link> <dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 13:13:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-92191</guid> <description>Hi
My company &#039;engaged&#039; with the European Webex people about January 2010.  The platforms themself are about the best on the market.  But we find the billing process poor and the web portal they want everyone to use of little use.  Customer support is &#039;polite&#039;. However, we have just been issued an invoice for &#039;true up&#039; costs after being told previously by customer support that we did not have to pay them.  When this was pointed out, customer service was not as polite.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br
/> My company &#8216;engaged&#8217; with the European Webex people about January 2010.  The platforms themself are about the best on the market.  But we find the billing process poor and the web portal they want everyone to use of little use.  Customer support is &#8216;polite&#8217;. However, we have just been issued an invoice for &#8216;true up&#8217; costs after being told previously by customer support that we did not have to pay them.  When this was pointed out, customer service was not as polite.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tom Maddox</title><link>http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-42376</link> <dc:creator>Tom Maddox</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:57:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-42376</guid> <description>Diane,
If you&#039;re still following this thread, I&#039;d like to ask if the deck from your presentation will be made public. I&#039;d love to get a copy.
Thanks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane,</p><p>If you&#8217;re still following this thread, I&#8217;d like to ask if the deck from your presentation will be made public. I&#8217;d love to get a copy.</p><p>Thanks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Best Engaging Online Communities</title><link>http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-42243</link> <dc:creator>Best Engaging Online Communities</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 02:02:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-42243</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;There is no such thing as &quot;Off the record&quot; anymore. Dealing with being open in the community...&lt;/strong&gt;
people asked me this during last week: Ami C of Deloitte, Jim S of Shared Insights and Elizabeth C of Yahoo. &quot;Are you going to blog about this?&quot; Now, normally I dont think much about it, but it really got ...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>There is no such thing as &#8220;Off the record&#8221; anymore. Dealing with being open in the community&#8230;</strong></p><p>people asked me this during last week: Ami C of Deloitte, Jim S of Shared Insights and Elizabeth C of Yahoo. &#8220;Are you going to blog about this?&#8221; Now, normally I dont think much about it, but it really got &#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: nate</title><link>http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-42092</link> <dc:creator>nate</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:43:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-42092</guid> <description>All very valid points, folks.  Thanks for joining in the conversation.
Obviously, this response is completely from my perspective:
(1) I think there was probably one more thing Belicove could have done to get his point across without looking like it&#039;s an attack, and that would be simply to talk to Diane personally first.  However, on the same note, depending on the response he got from that and from the escalation of the issues, I wouldn&#039;t fault him for bringing this problem to light, even inside the conference session.  It&#039;s a valid concern from a valid customer and if it hasn&#039;t been fixed, then he has full rights to say so in a semi-public forum.  In fact, to that point, WebEx should be happy he didn&#039;t start a site and garner support from the haters out there (every company has them).  My point is he could have done far more detrimental things than he did.
(2) Diane, I don&#039;t believe there is a threshold to cross before you can start a &quot;community initiative&quot;.  However, I think it&#039;s kind of jumping the gun to start something with any other motivation other than working towards fixing customer service problems at this point.  It&#039;s obviously a pretty contentious and big concern with current customers (even those other than Belicove who I talked with at the conference).  My main problem is with the comment that customer service and community are different.  I don&#039;t believe they are (at least not at this point for WebEx).  Now, if the motivation is to better customer service, then by all means, please do that!
(3) I appreciate, Diane, that you are concerned enough to even post a comment here to respond.  That does help, and I (and I think WebEx customers) do appreciate the conversation you&#039;re jumping into.  Now, conversation and communication, however difficult, is intended to lead to results.  I would be very happy to report in the future that customer service has been improved.  My community-focused heart would do a little dance if/when that occurs.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All very valid points, folks.  Thanks for joining in the conversation.</p><p>Obviously, this response is completely from my perspective:</p><p>(1) I think there was probably one more thing Belicove could have done to get his point across without looking like it&#8217;s an attack, and that would be simply to talk to Diane personally first.  However, on the same note, depending on the response he got from that and from the escalation of the issues, I wouldn&#8217;t fault him for bringing this problem to light, even inside the conference session.  It&#8217;s a valid concern from a valid customer and if it hasn&#8217;t been fixed, then he has full rights to say so in a semi-public forum.  In fact, to that point, WebEx should be happy he didn&#8217;t start a site and garner support from the haters out there (every company has them).  My point is he could have done far more detrimental things than he did.</p><p>(2) Diane, I don&#8217;t believe there is a threshold to cross before you can start a &#8220;community initiative&#8221;.  However, I think it&#8217;s kind of jumping the gun to start something with any other motivation other than working towards fixing customer service problems at this point.  It&#8217;s obviously a pretty contentious and big concern with current customers (even those other than Belicove who I talked with at the conference).  My main problem is with the comment that customer service and community are different.  I don&#8217;t believe they are (at least not at this point for WebEx).  Now, if the motivation is to better customer service, then by all means, please do that!</p><p>(3) I appreciate, Diane, that you are concerned enough to even post a comment here to respond.  That does help, and I (and I think WebEx customers) do appreciate the conversation you&#8217;re jumping into.  Now, conversation and communication, however difficult, is intended to lead to results.  I would be very happy to report in the future that customer service has been improved.  My community-focused heart would do a little dance if/when that occurs.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Diane Davidson</title><link>http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-41871</link> <dc:creator>Diane Davidson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:35:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-41871</guid> <description>Fogot to put my name on the prior post - so yes, it is from diane davidson.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fogot to put my name on the prior post &#8211; so yes, it is from diane davidson.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-41870</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:33:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-41870</guid> <description>My, my, at the risk of irritating folks, I must say, I have, a different response to this incident.  WebEx is far from perfect.  Lots of problems with much focus on fixing them.  I spoke with many folks throughout the day, some who had had difficulties with WebEx, some who are no longer customers, some who are still customers.  I think what is so interesting to me about this interchange is the perception or implication  that until we have fixed our problems and have our customer support totally nailed down, it&#039;s valid to ask why WebEx would embark on a community?  Is there some bar that we have to cross before we are entitled to pursure this avenue?  Is it not possible that creating an additional conversation capability with our customers might actually help improve our customer support or the features in our products, or help us gain a deeper understanding of our customers&#039; experiences?  That is my belief.
The other thing that comes to mind here is that communication is a difficult process.  Since I did talk with lots people throughout the day, they were either lying to me about their perceptions, or there was more than one way to interpret the incident.  After all, isn&#039;t that life?  We all listen and observe with our biases and beliefs.  So my commitment to Mr. Belicove is to try to get some additional response, even fully recognizing that the response  may not be satisfactory.  My other observation is that this very human F2F conversation was difficult but real.  As I said in another blog response, I better fasten my seatbelt.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My, my, at the risk of irritating folks, I must say, I have, a different response to this incident.  WebEx is far from perfect.  Lots of problems with much focus on fixing them.  I spoke with many folks throughout the day, some who had had difficulties with WebEx, some who are no longer customers, some who are still customers.  I think what is so interesting to me about this interchange is the perception or implication  that until we have fixed our problems and have our customer support totally nailed down, it&#8217;s valid to ask why WebEx would embark on a community?  Is there some bar that we have to cross before we are entitled to pursure this avenue?  Is it not possible that creating an additional conversation capability with our customers might actually help improve our customer support or the features in our products, or help us gain a deeper understanding of our customers&#8217; experiences?  That is my belief.</p><p>The other thing that comes to mind here is that communication is a difficult process.  Since I did talk with lots people throughout the day, they were either lying to me about their perceptions, or there was more than one way to interpret the incident.  After all, isn&#8217;t that life?  We all listen and observe with our biases and beliefs.  So my commitment to Mr. Belicove is to try to get some additional response, even fully recognizing that the response  may not be satisfactory.  My other observation is that this very human F2F conversation was difficult but real.  As I said in another blog response, I better fasten my seatbelt.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim S</title><link>http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-41846</link> <dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:19:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-41846</guid> <description>Hey Nate - Thanks for posting. Great discussion here...
Full discalaimer: I&#039;m on the Shared Insights team and work directly with Diane and WebEx on their community initiatives. I&#039;m going to &lt;i&gt;try&lt;/i&gt; to lay my Shared Insights hat to the side and respond as an observer at the session.
My impression was that Belicove wasn&#039;t really interested in finding a solution to his problem with his comments (attack?). When Davidson accepted his problem as a valid issue and agreed to personally help him to a solution, he continued to berate her. IMHO, this is just bad form. If Belicove chose this course in an established online forum, he&#039;d be reprimanded by other members (again, imho). While some people may have been nodding their heads in agreement with Belicove, I&#039;d like to think the majority in attendance were shocked with his overall approach.
Whether the presentation was salesy or passionate, I chose to interpret it as the latter, but understand how others saw it as salesy. In any event, we&#039;re all free to tune in/tune out or stay/walk out. If Chris (and others) didn&#039;t like what was hearing he could have simply left. In fact I&#039;ve seen people doing just that throughout the event when they felt the return on their time just wasn&#039;t there.
Finally, I wrote a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sharedinsights.com/about/blogs/jim/2007/03/naked-conversations.html&quot;&gt;blog post&lt;/a&gt; on the opportunity Davidson and WebEx were presented with when Belicove took control of the room this morning. I&#039;m confident there interest in continuing the conversation with their customers is genuine. (ok... maybe I just put my hat back on for a second there.)
I look forward to your thoughts.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nate &#8211; Thanks for posting. Great discussion here&#8230;</p><p>Full discalaimer: I&#8217;m on the Shared Insights team and work directly with Diane and WebEx on their community initiatives. I&#8217;m going to <i>try</i> to lay my Shared Insights hat to the side and respond as an observer at the session.</p><p>My impression was that Belicove wasn&#8217;t really interested in finding a solution to his problem with his comments (attack?). When Davidson accepted his problem as a valid issue and agreed to personally help him to a solution, he continued to berate her. IMHO, this is just bad form. If Belicove chose this course in an established online forum, he&#8217;d be reprimanded by other members (again, imho). While some people may have been nodding their heads in agreement with Belicove, I&#8217;d like to think the majority in attendance were shocked with his overall approach.</p><p>Whether the presentation was salesy or passionate, I chose to interpret it as the latter, but understand how others saw it as salesy. In any event, we&#8217;re all free to tune in/tune out or stay/walk out. If Chris (and others) didn&#8217;t like what was hearing he could have simply left. In fact I&#8217;ve seen people doing just that throughout the event when they felt the return on their time just wasn&#8217;t there.</p><p>Finally, I wrote a <a
href="http://www.sharedinsights.com/about/blogs/jim/2007/03/naked-conversations.html">blog post</a> on the opportunity Davidson and WebEx were presented with when Belicove took control of the room this morning. I&#8217;m confident there interest in continuing the conversation with their customers is genuine. (ok&#8230; maybe I just put my hat back on for a second there.)</p><p>I look forward to your thoughts.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris Heuer</title><link>http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-41845</link> <dc:creator>Chris Heuer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:29:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-41845</guid> <description>It was clear that the room was not excited about it - the point was that this is an opportunity missed.  Complaints typically make people receiving them unhappy and defensive.  Instead, it was a real opportunity missed.  From the way the scene was set, to the content in the presentation, to the way this complaint was happened.  To her defense, it is a balancing act that is tough for people in traditional corporations to walk, but her response to Mikal afterwards was unfortunate.
As we continue to say, there is no cure for marketing a bad product, but there is a cure for fixing bad systems that allow such products to continue to exist.  Change the leadership, change the systems and listen to the customers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was clear that the room was not excited about it &#8211; the point was that this is an opportunity missed.  Complaints typically make people receiving them unhappy and defensive.  Instead, it was a real opportunity missed.  From the way the scene was set, to the content in the presentation, to the way this complaint was happened.  To her defense, it is a balancing act that is tough for people in traditional corporations to walk, but her response to Mikal afterwards was unfortunate.</p><p>As we continue to say, there is no cure for marketing a bad product, but there is a cure for fixing bad systems that allow such products to continue to exist.  Change the leadership, change the systems and listen to the customers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stephen Barber</title><link>http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-41839</link> <dc:creator>Stephen Barber</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:50:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-41839</guid> <description>To me, the criticisms that were raised *were* valid and very relevant to the point of the discussion. Belicove&#039;s point was that the focus on building a community to get closer to customers is fine - if you&#039;re already listening and actioning across the existing channels - and the criticism was that Webex aren&#039;t...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, the criticisms that were raised *were* valid and very relevant to the point of the discussion. Belicove&#8217;s point was that the focus on building a community to get closer to customers is fine &#8211; if you&#8217;re already listening and actioning across the existing channels &#8211; and the criticism was that Webex aren&#8217;t&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: nate</title><link>http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-41831</link> <dc:creator>nate</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:40:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.perfectspace.com/2007/03/13/conflict-in-community-20/#comment-41831</guid> <description>Thanks for your comments guys.  I appreciate your insights, agree or disagree.
Isaac,  I definitely did make note of the fact that she was describing an initiative designed to create deeper relationships.  The interesting thing, however, is her perception that there is a difference between customer service and community dialogue.  I don&#039;t necessarily find a big difference between the two.  But, I guess it depends on what your motivation is by engaging the community.
I also agree that Diane&#039;s offer to take the discussion offline was appropriate.  But, that doesn&#039;t negate Belicove&#039;s appropriate timing and forum for bringing up the point.  Not to mention, even, the point he was making was very pertinent to the presentation topic.
Again, I appreciate the counterpoint.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments guys.  I appreciate your insights, agree or disagree.</p><p>Isaac,  I definitely did make note of the fact that she was describing an initiative designed to create deeper relationships.  The interesting thing, however, is her perception that there is a difference between customer service and community dialogue.  I don&#8217;t necessarily find a big difference between the two.  But, I guess it depends on what your motivation is by engaging the community.</p><p>I also agree that Diane&#8217;s offer to take the discussion offline was appropriate.  But, that doesn&#8217;t negate Belicove&#8217;s appropriate timing and forum for bringing up the point.  Not to mention, even, the point he was making was very pertinent to the presentation topic.</p><p>Again, I appreciate the counterpoint.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
